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Mari, the Happy Wanderer's avatar

Thank you for this post, Erin. As you probably remember, my impulse is to be a strong supporter of the right to assisted suicide, but you have given me a lot to think about.

I agree that one of the dangers of assisted suicide is that it is too easy for aggrieved or burdened families to bring emotional pressure to bear, either overtly or subtly, that might make the person suffering from a disability or dementia feel that they should choose suicide. And you are right that a lot of the issue would disappear if we only had appropriately robust palliative care and home health aides. I have read (in The Inevitable, by Katie Englehart--highly recommended!) that the hurdle for nearly everyone is incontinence. People can't bear to think about their loved ones having to change their diapers or clean them after a bowel accident. If there were adequately-paid nursing care to handle this, how many people would still want assisted suicide?

One final issue: both my grandparents had dementia, and it made them anxious and aggressive. My grandmother was really cruel to my mom for a few years, before her dementia advanced to the point where she couldn't speak. After watching what my mom went through, I decided that I never wanted to burden my children with the same duty, and that if I started to show signs of dementia, I would choose suicide. But your essay is making me rethink this decision. Maybe I am selling my kids short, and maybe they would rise to the occasion and possibly (eventually) even take pride in how they handled it. I don't know.

Anyway, I always appreciate a well-argued case for the other side. Who knows? You may cause me to change my mind.

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Ashley's avatar

Came here because of Freddie's post linking to your great piece on abortion!

On both topics, my perspective is coloured by the Canadian legal environment and how we see ourselves in comparison with the U.S.

I largely agree with you on the personhood of a fetus, and feel somewhat personally uncomfortable about abortion. Yet the many horrible things that can happen to your body due to pregnancy and labour also makes me uncomfortable, and so in the balance of things, I think the mother's bodily autonomy trumps the fetus' right to life, even if she did have sex knowing procreation was possible.

Eventually there comes a point at which you've gone so far that you've gone through most of the pregnancy anyway, and if you abort, you're essentially giving birth to the dead fetus, in which case it seems quite cruel and pointless to do an "elective" abortion. But even then, I'm more in favour of the Canadian approach of "not legal/illegal, but just leaving it up to the mother, doctor, and the medical guidelines" rather than "illegal except for saving the life of the mother." While somewhat less democratic to leave the guidelines in the hands of the provincial medical associations, putting individual medical decisions in the hands of judges to decide whether the woman's life was actually in danger seems worse.

With MAiD, my view is also shaped by Canada's increasingly permissive laws. Previously I would have considered myself saddened by MAiD but supportive of ones bodily autonomy nonetheless. But last year, our laws were changed so that you can access it if you have a grevious disability (which by next year will include mental illness! And maybe some talk of allowing it for minors!) but aren't immenently dying.

This has resulted in a lot of disabled Canadians talking about new pressures from their medical teams to consider MAiD -- both implicit and sometimes explicit. It's especially egregious coming from those relying on our terrible disability welfare program (ODSP in Ontario), which keeps people in abject poverty. I hear lots of stories of people who are absolutely hopeless their financial conditions will ever get better, and so are thinking of MAiD on those grounds. That the government would rather kill you than give you food to eat is just appalling.

So I guess in my own Grand Theory, I support bodily autonomy, but with the caveat that if the government is going to supply and pay for the doctors to end your or your fetus's life, they also have a positive moral responsibility to, as much as possible, provide resources to people to make sure you're not choosing death because you simply can't afford life.

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